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RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:38:38 GMT

This one will blow your mind even more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ0adXaY_bs&amp

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

mallard67 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:32:17 GMT

Derek, that video is crazy!!! I knew stuff was photoshoped but wow...that's really the opposite of keepin' it real, hehe.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

eric rose — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:20:58 GMT

Well Playboy retouched photos of their pinup girls for years before PS ever came along. If anyone thought those gals actually looked like that in real life they were sadly mistaken. Even though everyone knew there was a liberal amount of airbrushing going on with Playboy images I don't feel they naturally assumed that news photos were also "retouched".

The OP was about journalistic images, not chubby wives wanting to have their double chins removed with PS. For some reason that is ok but to alter a news image to make it more impactful is some how wrong. Really is it so wrong if it gets the message the original photographer wanted to convey? Actually in my opinion both the chubby wife and the journalist who fakes images are both wrong, equally.

Don't get me going on what I think of the electronic media these days. It's pathetic.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:08:20 GMT

[quote][b]Derek Lofgreen (6/24/2008)[/b][hr]I think you may be on to something Robert. I have had several housewife clients want me to "photoshop" this out or that in or what ever. With videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U online for people to see they don't believe any photograph is real. Digital or not.

D.[/quote]

Wow!!

I spend a bit of time on an automotive forum, and everytime a new car is shown, the question always becomes whether it was photoshopped by someone, to hide what it really looks like. That was one reason for my thinking. However, there is now a tendency to not believe a photograph, mostly because commercial photography seems to have accepted that "anything that makes a product more saleable" is OK - forgetting the ethical aspect. The thought seems to be anything you can do, to make a sale - the image, and its truthfullness doesn't matter.

Thanks for sharing that ... I'm going to bookmark it for later.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:07:45 GMT

Wow!!

Thanks for sharing that ... I'm going to bookmark it for later.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

Derek Lofgreen — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:32:23 GMT

I think you may be on to something Robert. I have had several housewife clients want me to "photoshop" this out or that in or what ever. With videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U online for people to see they don't believe any photograph is real. Digital or not.

D.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:23:59 GMT

[quote][b]eric rose (6/22/2008)[/b][hr]Robert I beg to differ with you. I don't think John Q Public even considers whether an image is PS'd or not. We photographers are sensitive to it but for the unwashed masses it's a non issue until someone gets busted for faking.

Eric[/quote]

Perhaps you are right. I hear it on one of the other forums I belong to (GMInsideNews - a auto forum), but I haven't heard it anywhere else, except rarely.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

eric rose — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:16:38 GMT

Robert I beg to differ with you. I don't think John Q Public even considers whether an image is PS'd or not. We photographers are sensitive to it but for the unwashed masses it's a non issue until someone gets busted for faking.

Eric

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:38:02 GMT

The problem I see, is not that there are not a lot of images that move us or are capable of making social change, the problem is that our current society NOW assumes that all images are "photoshopped" unless stated otherwise. These images may have moved past generations, but given the current trend towards digital manipulation of images, may fail to do so in the future.

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

Toffle — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:56:18 GMT

[quote][b]eric rose (6/21/2008)[/b][hr]the three images that moved me the most were the Chicago convention riots, Kent State and the burned kid walking down the road in Nam.[/quote]

I agree, and I would add the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald to the list, and the shot of the Memphis balcony where Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated. The case of Kim Phuc has been an interesting one. Her image has been exploited by both sides of the Vietnam War debate, and she was used as a propaganda tool by the post-war Communist regime. She has lived a relatively quiet life here in Canada for the quite some time now. I hope that she does not have to re-live that horror every time some photographer posts a graphic image of world conflict.

[quote]people are so desensitized now that seeing someones entrails on the seat beside their lifeless body has little impact.[/quote]

Yes, the one quality our society seems to be lacking is discretion. It truly seems that "everything that is not forbidden is compulsory", to quote T.H. White. In fact, it is almost as if television programs post "viewer discretion" warnings as pornographic come-ons to their viewing audience.

Regards,

RE: When Images Galvanized the Nation

eric rose — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:00:24 GMT

the three images that moved me the most were the Chicago convention riots, Kent State and the burned kid walking down the road in Nam.

people are so desensitized now that seeing someones entrails on the seat beside their lifeless body has little impact.

When Images Galvanized the Nation

roteague — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:33:31 GMT

There was a time when people believed images they say, and they moved us to action. Sadly, now the first reaction seems to be "Was this photoshopped?".

"If ever social change was propelled by photographs, it was during the civil rights movement. Burning buses and raised batons, snarling police dogs and blasting hoses, the young black girl in bobby socks and gingham trailed by a group of sneering white girls as she tried to enter high school — the images spurred a national reckoning in a way that words could not."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/us/20civil.html